Blankes boer agter uit in Suid Afrika. - Page 2

Ar. · 6th July 2008, 05:38 PM

My tjommie, jy praat amper nou my taal. How often did I said: "charity begins at home."

Things will change for our people (regardless of race), when our government starts to focus on the most minor things such as:

- housing for all (no fricken schack dwellers or mud, clay, zink shanty and other third world crappy huts for our people)

- medical treatment free of charge for all

- pensioners, disabled, war veterans (regardless of political affiliation) shoud be taken care of by the government

- implementing of an unemployment system, where unemployed people have access to unemployment money for a six months period (after six months period the implementing of social benefits for unconditional period)

- implementing of social security system (sick or illness, job related accidents, birth given by mothers, widows and pensioners)

- both employees and employers are expected to contribute to this systems, starting with a fixed bruto income, deducted from income tax and social security contributions

- pension contributions deducted from both employer and employee

Do not be discouraged by this, it works easier as you might think. It has worked in many countries around the world and Namibia is no exception to the rule. Start cutting on the enourmous amounts that government employees earn,start with the most highly paid governmental officials (president, prime minister, ministers, deputy ministers, directors, permanent secretaries, deputy directors, deputy permanent secretaries, ect.). We need to start somewhere if we want to change the situation and stop blaming the old apartheid government for all mistakes.

This list can grow on and on.

Jy kan my oortuig dat dinge anders gedoen kan word ... the proof is in the pudding and the challenge is yours and those who believe that people in Namibia have a supper life.

Comrade_007 · 7th July 2008, 02:53 PM

I agree in principle, Ar but for Namibia to have a fully funded and meaningful free public health care system alongside support for unemployed people and social services, etc. will cost a huge amount of money. I'm not sure our economy will be able to sustain this financially for any long time, given the relative weakness of our economy, and the low productivity and economic growth. We already have a small number of people paying high taxes. To burden them further will drive them away, thereby depriving the State of one of its tax pillars. In order to pay for all of this we would have to to raise productivity levels and output, grow the economy exponentially, start adding value and exporting goods with high margins, grow the tax base for the fiscus and but raise huge amounts for the state for this to work. Now some of the money can come from increasing efficiencies in the public service, doing more with less, cutting the perks of public servants and political office bearers, etc,etc. but I am skeptcial whether that will happen. Is it possible? Of course! Anything is possible. Is it realistic and achievable? Not so sure. But I'm open to be proven wrong.

tjommie · 7th July 2008, 07:42 PM

I am of the belief that tourism is our biggest asset. It is the most sustainable industry that preserves our country, its beauty and generates huge revenues. Government should work on policies that will make it favourable for Namibians to become self starters in providing services and products to feed the tourism industry.

Our Government also employs to many people. The huge Government wage bill that sucks all life out of the country's tax revenues is also putting severe strain on basic services that Government should provide. My view is that these services should be health, education, water, electricity and infrastructure development and maintaince. In order to reduce this work force, I would suggest making posts redundant vacated by public servants retiring.

We should move away from Government sponsored social grant structures and only apply these in the most extreme of circumstances which include ensuring that children don't go hungry, taking much better care of our elderly and supporting people with disabilities.

Finally, I believe that Namibia has enough revenue to have good hospitals, clinics, schools and roads. Too often we see the money for these services eroded by officials who are either corrupt or incompetent. To compound things even more, we see little accountability being taken by people in authoritative positions, however, their demands for better pay packages and less working hours seems always to be met.

juikk · 8th July 2008, 08:48 AM

Not an economist, but I believe a better public/social wealth system is more than attainable, handful: (people+hoast of resources) x proper resourcemanagement/allocation= better taken care of Namibians.....if one guy can earn 80 to 100 000 per month, I trust that our economy is not as fragile as the better offs would want us to believe.

Ar. · 10:08 AM

Tjommie, there is a way forward. Believe me, this can and will work, we only need to give it a try.

Ar. · 8th July 2008, 12:24 PM

Every where in the world taxes are paid, Namibia is not an exception in this regard.

Some ministries can be shrinked or joint together, eg. fisheries and marine resources can be combined with agriculture, water and rural development and mines and energy with lands, resettlement and rehabilitation as well as combine women affairs and child welfare with health and social services, not to mention prison and correctional services with the justice ministry and the information and broadcasting with works, transport and communication. The auditor-general, public service commision and national planning commission can also function as one body.

Look at all the costs that has been cut and saved and ministers will start working for sallaries. National assembly members and national council members can be reduce too. If this is not enough, we can incorporate the following with each other:

- nampost, telecom, nbc and trans namib as one joint body
- road funds, road authority, airports companies and road contractor company to unite as one body

- national council or local authorities should become obsolute

Any questions or further cuts, I 'm open for reasonable debate. Easier, no one expects or ?

Uncle Paul · 8th July 2008, 02:45 PM

Some interesting proposals you put forward there, Ar. I agree with merging Fisheries and Marine Resources with Agriculture, Water and Rural Development, as well as combining Women Affairs and Child Welfare with Health and sOcial Services. Prison and Correctional Servcies could go under [b]justice. [b] There is in my mind no convincing reason to have these as separate entities.

But the Auditor-General really needs to be completely independent, and not part of the Planning Commission and/or the Public Service Commission - that just won't work. Combining Nampost, Telecom, NBC and TransNamib will also be very difficult, and unworkable I think.

The other bodies you mention are statutory and serve a specific purpose. They can surely be reduce3d in size and trimmed for purpose, but the rational for their existence is sound.

The Road Contractor Company could be amalgamated with TransNamib and the Airports Company. But keep a separate Ministry to oversee the company and put down policy.

The National Council and Local Authorities we won't be able to get rid of, whatever. If it works the way it was intended to, the National Council is an important check on the Executive. The Local Authorities are really at the forefront of development and change, and put devolved democracy into practice - at least in theory. Of course they are hamstrung by money and skills, but I think they do important and good work (at least some fo them).

mindfactory · 11th July 2008, 07:33 AM

[quote=tjommie;29831]Sies...!!

Was jy al ooit in Namibia gewees...? Ek dink jy sal moet self kom sien hoe mense in Namibia lewe.

Pangas, jy slaan darem waaragtig die spyker op sy kop. Ek moet ongetwyfeld met jou saam stem, dat met die groot meerderheid van die mense in Namibia, gaan dit maar vrot en baie ellendig.

Ek is bly dat jy die saak uit hierdie oogpunt sien en daarom bekom jy my volle steun. Dit het tyd geword dat ons aspekte in perspektief moet sien en oplossing vreedsaam moet vind.

Die goeie ding is dat jou Wambo's in Namibia eintlik baie vreedsame mense is en ook hulle lang moedigheid maak die situasie hier baie makliker om hulle te beheer en natuurlik is die meeste half geletterd of ongeskool.

Dis suiwer my siening en ek wil niemand negatief beinvloed.

juikk · 11th July 2008, 09:10 AM

Mindfactory, die vreedsaamheid kom nie eintlik direk van die Namibiese groep wat jy daar noem nie, alhoewel a mens nie liewer sulke stellings moot maak nes jy dit doen nie. Dit is die manier waarop die khoigroepe almal anders ontvang het, vreedsaam, of dit bantus of blankes was. Aan die ander kant is dieselfde vreedsaamheid verantwoordelik vir die verlore regte van so baaie khoi groepe in Namibie, die Boere wat hier bespreek word is baaie verantwoording te doen aan die toestand van die khoi vandag in Namibia, ek wil amper se dis goed om eie medisyne te proe, dit is die enigste manier waarop besining kan kom, maar as a mens met a goeie sin vir mense regte, sal ek net se ek hoop dat diegene wat nou die boere se honger raaksien wat maar minder as a dekade begin het, as dit eens die geval is, nou kan besin oor die lot van die khoi vir eeue en eeue aaneen. Dit beteken dat die Zulu's en Xhosa's van suid afrika ten minste hulle regte tot die economie behou het as die geval met die khoi wat vreedsaam is, nie dat ek met hul geweld saamstem nie.

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