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View Poll Results: Do you believe the March harmonised elections in Zimbabwe were free and fair?
Yes, they were 28 14.58%
No, they were not 108 56.25%
I'm not sure 56 29.17%
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Old 16th January 2008, 04:45 PM
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Post The Zimbabwe Situation

Going through the news of our friend and neighbour, Zimbabwe, I read about the still continuing queues at the banks and other financial institutions.

Quote "Pavements in the centre of the capital, Harare, are clogging daily as queues wind sometimes in three coils round the block and depositors wait for around six hours to be served. In downtown Harare, people sleep in sanitary lanes in banking lines stretching sometimes 100-metres long."Unquote

Dear Uncle Bob!

Why not put all the polling booths at these places? You've got the queues, so they can kill two birds with one stone.

How's that?

And, no, you don't have to pay me for this valuable advice ..........


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Default Re: Brilliant idea for Zim election in March

HI-HI!!!! HO-HO!!!!! Ha-HA!!!!!!

Nice one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Default Re: Brilliant idea for Zim election in March

Let us not take too much pleasure out of the sad situation prevailing in Zimbabwe, as experienced by the people of Zimbabwe. The tables may yet turn, and we may sit in the same boat as them if sanity and reason does not prevail on our body politic.
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Default Re: Brilliant idea for Zim election in March

Uncle Paul,


It was supposed to be humorous ... well, as humorous as I can be

Please don't shoot me for it!
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Default Re: Brilliant idea for Zim election in March

I won't, don't worry. I see the humour in your post, but speaking to many fellow Namibians I sometimes detect a certain amount of glee in their comments at how things are in Zimbabwe. It's desperate times, my friends, I'm sure you know....and it may yet be our turn.
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Default Re: Brilliant idea for Zim election in March

Thanks, Uncle Paul!!

Look at the article "There but for the grace of God ...."" It is about Botswana now, but when you go deeper in to the causes of the possible dilemma, you will find that the same or a basically similar scenario could be played out in a number of our neighbours ... INCLUDING US!


I know too many Zimbos to revel in glee .... , but as they say: If the nut behind the wheel is unsound, the whole vehicle is imminent danger
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Default Zimbabwe - Truth and Fiction - another view

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Just what happened this past week? If you read the media (always dangerous) you get reports that say diametrically opposite things – a “Deal” is done says the Gazette, the “Talks a Failure” says the Independent and other South African papers. As for the local State controlled press – well that is just a sick joke. You are as likely to get the truth out of them as you are from a used car salesman.

But for all of that we have to try and sort out what really went on from all the nonsense being written and spoken. What we do know is the following: the South African mediators met with the negotiating teams this past weekend, a set of options were put before these decision makers, the MDC team accepted two of the three options with slight variations whilst the Zanu PF team was unable to come to any conclusion in the absence of Mr. Mugabe who was on holiday in the Far East.

Mr. Mugabe was visiting Hong Kong, Thailand and Singapore with his entourage and chief shopping aide, Grace Mugabe. We know that Mr. Mugabe was sent for, dropped everything and hurriedly returned to Harare to take charge. After a couple of days of consultations President Mbeki arrived with his team and went straight into discussions with the Zanu PF leadership. After several hours of discussion Mr. Mbeki saw the MDC leadership and then returned to the discussions with the Zanu PF team before leaving the country to return home.

The only public part of this process was a brief meeting with the media where the South African President said that the talks were continuing and that progress had been made. Neither the MDC nor Zanu PF made any public statement and the MDC leadership left the country for South Africa the following day.

The rest of us were just left in the dark with no clear statement on what had transpired.

I slept on the issue and decided to come down on the side of the view that despite all the leaks – a deal was done. There is simply no way that the President of South Africa, who has so much at stake in the process and for whom, for the first time in 7 years, has all his ducks in a row on this issue, would allow the talks to collapse and flounder. The question is therefore what sort of deal?

The rest of this note is conjecture – so you can take it or leave it, as it may not be accurate. My own view has been for some time that we are stuck with a March election. My guess is that nomination day is the 7th of March with the elections taking place 21 days later on the 28th of March. The elections will be in one day and some 2000 seats are up for election. Urban voters in the main centers may have 5 ballots to complete, in the other areas, 4 ballots. At issue is nothing more or less than the future of Zimbabwe as a State.

The devil always lies with the detail. I would agree with a senior diplomat who said to me some weeks ago “there is no chance of holding a free and fair election in Zimbabwe today, however we will watch the process carefully and if the outcome is one that we feel represents the views of the majority, we will accept it and move on from there”. A sort of resigned acceptance that SA has not achieved enough in the mediated talks but we have no choice but to work with the outcome.

Frankly I think the same thing applies to the MDC – we have little choice but to work with the gains made in nearly 8 months of tortuous and painstaking negotiations with a group, who from the very beginning were in no way sincere or committed to genuine change in the way our elections are run.

Change there has been – not enough to ensure a free and fair election, but is it enough to allow a free expression of the will of the people? Can we prevent the sort of fraud that has characterised the elections in Zimbabwe for many years and in Kenya just recently? Most would say no, but in my view the changes negotiated and now being implemented must not be discounted. They are significant in many ways.

The questions that remain are many – can we persuade eligible Zimbabweans voters to come out on the 28th and vote? Can we then protect their voice and make sure it is reported accurately and without manipulation to the national tally and then finally, will our society and administration accept the outcome? Those are big questions that only time will answer.

But for me I have always viewed this process as a struggle. It will remain a struggle right through to the end. My main fear in the past 18 months has been that we would not have an election. That the regime would simply back into its shell and with the support of the armed forces and corrupt business interests, administer the country via a military/Zanu Junta. Effectively a coup in all but name. That has not happened and one of the main reasons has been the continued belief that Zanu PF has done enough to win the election.

The other factor is simply pride. Mr. Mugabe wants to defeat Morgan Tsvangirai in a straight electoral battle – make no mistake this is the modern equivalent of a 16th Century Jousting competition. He wants to hold an election that meets the minimum conditions that he can get away with and then manage his own semi dignified exit from the stage before things get completely out of hand.

Just look at the constraints on Morgan in this contest – he has been beaten physically, denied funding for normal political activity, restricted in all forms of normal political activity, the bookies are all Zanu PF lackeys and the crowd in the stadium is loaded with Zanu PF supporters. Traditional leaders who have been intimidated and bribed control the field, Morgan’s horse is denied food and water and his equipment is tampered with.

No wonder Mr. Mugabe is confident! But remember, this is still a contest to be won and lost. At least we are going to get our chance on the field. It is a risk, but one worth taking if this is all we have got. So my view is that we are in for an election and it is up to every one of us to get off our butts and make sure that this time, the real result is captured and reported. We sure can live with the result; I am not sure Zanu PF can.

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Let us pray that the ZANU-PF regime will not steal another election and plunge Zimbabwe deeper into crisis. All the sgins are on the wall, and the realities as they exist on the ground in Zimbabwe do not auger well for a free and fair election. Let us pray Zimbabweans will come out in their droves and cast their vote freely, and that the result be respected by all. I have hope, but it is clouded by realism.
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Post Ominous signs

There are ominous developments in Zim, as the following piece by the Times newspaper aludes to. Is a situation similar to what happened in Kenya possible? Definitely. Are indications that ZANU-PF intends to rig the ballot? Yes, thare are too many inconsistencies, and reports of hundreds of thousands of ghost voters. Will SADC stand by and allow another election fraud to be perpetrated? We'll see, but let's pray not, although we should not expect too much from this grouping of old friends. They stand by each other in difficult times, and will not easily let the people hold sway.

Anyhow make up your own mind:

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Jan Raath in Karoi, Zimbabwe

With elections only eight days away, President Mugabe looks like being overwhelmed by a wave of support for the opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai as the 84-year-old leader's grip on power falters.

Mr Tsvangirai's formidable backing in Zimbabwe's urban areas has been consolidated since the election campaign began five weeks ago and now, after a series of forays into the poverty-stricken rural areas where the ruling Zanu (PF) party has hitherto held control, it is clear that Mr Mugabe has a fight on his hands there, too.

On Wednesday Mr Tsvangirai pushed into Mashonaland West, Mr Mugabe's home province, to draw mostly large crowds of exultant peasants responding to his chant of chinja! - Shona for change - in a region where until very recently it would have been almost impossible for his faction of the Movement for Democratic Change to campaign.

In the small farming town of Karoi, 124 miles (200km) north of Harare, at least 8,000 people filled the local rugby ground to give the 56-year-old former national labour movement leader an ecstatic welcome, singing handidzokera shure (no going back) and waving red plastic cards to signify Mr Mugabe's “sending off”.

“It is unimaginable that we could have come to this place [before],” Mr Tsvangirai said in an exclusive interview after leaving St Boniface's Catholic mission in Urungwe district, where about 2,000 people respondedjoyously to his promise. “Bit by bit the rooster is going to be served up,” a reference to Mr Mugabe's symbol, the cockerel.

Mr Mugabe, by contrast, has been securing large numbers at rallies but by dragooning children and “rent-a-crowd” contingents, watched over by soldiers with automatic rifles and secret police. On Wednesday, after he held a rally 44 miles south of Karoi in his home town of Chinhoyi, I counted 11 heavy lorries, each laden with about 100 people, on the way back to the towns - some as far as 60 miles away - where they had been picked up.

About 18 miles outside Karoi a farmer said that Zanu (PF) had to call off a meeting with local officials on Sunday because only ten people turned up - in an area dominated by ruling party settlers occupying former white-owned land. “Zanu (PF) is finished,” he said.

In Magunje, a business centre near Karoi, Mr Mugabe cut short a rally last week after first the local electricity supply grid and then two diesel generators failed to power the public address system. “People at the back were shouting at him: ‘Can you see what is happening to the country?',” said one man who attended. Sources there said that two technicians of the national electricity utility were arrested on suspicion of switching off the power.

Last week a poll surprised analysts by reporting that a survey had given Mr Tsvangirai 28 per cent of the vote in the run-up to presidential elections on March 29. Mr Mugabe had 20 per cent and Simba Makoni, Mr Mugabe's former Finance Minister, 8 per cent. The election is being held simultaneously with parliamentary and local council elections. Mr Mugabe previously had been expected widely to be ahead.

The elation is overshadowed by what election watchdogs say is a determined effort to rig the ballot.

Mr Tsvangirai said that he was concerned about changes to the electoral law to allow policemen into polling stations, which could intimidate voters. He also said that there were too few polling stations in urban areas to cater for the large numbers of opposition voters. There are also fears about the hugely inflated voters' roll, which could disguise illegal ballots, and the denial of postal votes for three million Zimbabweans who have fled abroad from the economic collapse.

He also claimed to have evidence of an order to the state mint to print 600,000 postal ballots, permitted only for diplomats and members of the military serving abroad, when perhaps 20,000 might be needed. In addition, nine million ordinary ballot papers have been printed for an official electorate tally of 5.9 million voters.

Mr Mugabe's victories against the MDC in the last three national elections since 2000 have been dismissed by independent election observers as the work of violence and comprehensive rigging. With the climate of violence significantly reduced, “fraudulent activity may be his target now”, Mr Tsvangirai said.

“We will declare victory because the people will have won,” he said. Mr Mugabe would claim victory again but, Mr Tsvangirai said: “We know this is a people's victory which he is trying to deny.”

The MDC went to court to challenge its previous election losses but this time “we are not going to court,” he said. “If he steals the people's victory, what will the people do? They will not accept that.

“The people must defend their victory,” he said. He would not elaborate and declined to speculate on what might happen.

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Yes, but .....! I will reserve my comments until the official outcome has been announced
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